In this episode, we're talking to Steve Phillips of The Pursuance Project. Pursuance is a new tool for organising activists and journalists online which springs directly from the work of journalist Barrett Brown and Barrett's experience handling the Stratfor HBGary leaks around 2012-2013, which resulted in him going to prison. We discuss the tech behind the Panama Papers and Snowden leaks, the details behind the HB Gary leaks, how Steve was inspired by the story of Anonymous' first big online hit and how organisational tools are the new frontier online - whether for corporate teams or activist groups. This is the first 45 minute of a fascinating 2 hour interview -- we'll be releasing the second part on Patreon first, and then on the main feed in due course.